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Data Protection act 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:29 GMT

Coat

Doesn't this just cover information stored electronically?

Everyone know he uses a magic list which is clearly excluded from the act!!

Taxi!

This is all moot... 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:32 GMT

Coat

as Christmas has to be cancelled. Santa has been banned from descending chimneys because of the Health and Safety at Work Act.

The Naughty vs Nice database is now available on two CDs on ebay.

WTF? 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:34 GMT

Stop

Sue the post-office, that's what I say!

What are you on ...? 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:35 GMT

Happy

... and can I have some please?

I've been nice all year, honest :)

British kids don't write to Santa Claus or Kris Kringle 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:44 GMT

They write to Father Christmas.. Santa Claus is a figment of the Coke-Cola company.

But the Data Protection Act.... 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:44 GMT

Coat

...is only covered here in the UK, isn't it? What about overseas? Is Mr Claus adhering to any international laws about Data retention? Does he come under the same scrutiny elsewhere?

On another note, how is this data stored? Is it held on an encrypted and secure database? How is it accessed? Does he use MyELFQL, or does he simply burn the data tables to a CD so that any old joe blogs can view the data?

The public should, and must know.

Think About The Children!

Mine's the red hoodie with the white trim, thank you!

Security alert 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:51 GMT

Alert

But is it correctly encrypted?

Not the worst offender 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:03 GMT

Heart

About time too. I hope they next investigate God's biometic ID database. With His indefinite retention policy for covertly collected, all-purvasive monitoring data He's almost as bad as Google.

Unfair application of laws 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:09 GMT

Go

I'm certainly no expert on EU regulations, but it seems to me that data protection should not apply, at least in regard to the submitted wish lists.

To my knowledge, none of the alledged gift bringers, (e.g. Father Christmas, Santa Claus, Papa Noel, etc.) has ever requested a list of desired gifts. Just because he is sent unsolicited personal information should not then mean he is automaticaly obligated to protect that info. It is an unfair burden, particularly when this gift delivery activity is merely a hobby. (1. method of transport is clearly not the most efficient or cost effective and 2. anyone ever NOT gotten something on their list? I thought so, highly unprofessional)

Elves and laptops 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:12 GMT

Go

So, the data on this laptop that a distracted elf left on the subway is worth money? I was just planning on starting a "Naughty" dating service and a "Nice" dating service...

Stuff 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:25 GMT

Black Helicopters

UK DP legislation does now apply to "filed" paper data. *I* wonder whether he's even bothered registering as a data controller.

It's not covert observation; there's a popular song about it..

Liability 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:33 GMT

The whole event is fraught with risk. Children who leave out carrots for Rudolph and mince pies for Santa could be liable in the event that the portly chap, or said beasts, choke or become poorly after eating them. Additionally, leaving out a tot of brandy can encourage driving an open sleigh while under the influence. It is recommended that one parent remains awake all night to deal with any incidents and administer first aid where required. Householders should also ensure their flue is clear from debris with adequate space for a fat bastard in a red coat and a big sack of toys. A roof survey is recommended in order to ensure it can cope with the weight of a herd of reindeer, a sleigh and several million presents. Finally it is recommended that sturdy, insulated boots are used when putting a foot through the television screen after seeing that Only Fools And Bastard Horses is on AGAIN, for fucks sake.

Bah humbug 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:48 GMT

Flame

Nice to see that these legalised thieves, aka lawyers, are making so much surplus cash out of our corrupt legal system that they can afford to pay people a fortune to trawl out nonsensical crap like this instead of doing something useful in/for this country.

Am sure all those people who've been failed in the courts by these vultures and got nothing because of some chav-friendly loophole that robs them of justice will be overjoyed to see where they've been focusing all of their money and efforts.

No Mr Cratchitt, you can't have another lump of coal.

Will he mail the database or presents on CD's? 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:49 GMT

Paris Hilton

And where does Paris fit into all of this?

Somebody PLEASE think of the iPhone!

Lapland is gonna get hacked by information thieves 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:24 GMT

Black Helicopters

Forget HMRC; this is serious!

People have been mailing Santa/Father Christmas/Sinter-Klaus/Saint Nicholas for years. Any breach will expose the childhood fantisies of numerous current day adults.

Can all his Elves be trusted to:

a) Enter the data correctly?

b) Read all the various different languages/dialects in which the messages arrive?

Are they in breach if they don't support a new medium? (SMS).

What if he out-sources his Elves to Bangalorean Midgets? Will the Data Transfer be encrypted?

Will they implement stringent Authentication and Authorization on the Data?

Imagine the Data Mining capabilities on that Database!

What if he sells out to Facebook? All those "sophisticated people" being exposed as wanting a "My Little Pony" set as an innocent child - imagine that comming back to haunt you.

Will you be in for a session of "Water-Boarding" by the CIA if all you wanted was "Peace and Good Will to all Men"?

What if you didn't write anything to Santa? Will they cross reference you against all those "believers" to label you as an anti-establishment figure from the age of 6 onwards; therefore in need of extra monitoring and a dose of re-education (see above).

I'm worried and you should be too!

information was sent out of the eu by the sender. 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:24 GMT

Thumb Up

We all know that santa's real official address is

Santa Claus

North Pole Canada

H0H 0H0

So his data is covered under Canadian Law, and I am sure that he keeps it well frozen. Since Canada Post has the contract to help him answer the volume of mail I am sure that they are also under sutable obligations.

Forgot the URL for Santa's Mailbox. 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:26 GMT

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http://www.canadapost.ca/dec/santa/writesanta/default-e.asp

Have we turned into the US? 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 14:42 GMT

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We now think that our data protection laws apply to entities based in the Arctic, a territory governed by international treaty only...

If children are foolish enough to post information out of the country, they should be aware that they will receive no protection under British law once the letters leave our shores.

@Steve 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 15:02 GMT

Alert

"If children are foolish enough to post information out of the country, they should be aware that they will receive no protection under British law once the letters leave our shores."

As repeated government blunders/cockups/bullshite/lies/spin have shown us, there is no protection while the data is within these shores, either - probably less, in fact.

You better watch out... 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 16:32 GMT

He's making a list,

Misplacing it twice,

And now you can buy that list at a price

Santa Claus is coming to town!

Reindeer.. 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 17:45 GMT

*Everyone* knows that Father Christmas lives at the North Pole and Finland simultaneously during the Christmas season, but spends the rest of the year in a terrace in Bradford or on holiday in the South of France.

Santa has published PGP keys for years 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 19:19 GMT

Happy

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hash: SHA1

Unlike HMRC, DWP, DVLA, NHS amd other incompetent UK Government data

privacy and security abusers, Santa Claus has, for several years now,

published various PGP public encryption and signing keys, to help

protect the correspondence and personal details of the good children

and adults who write to him, from around the world.

e.g. http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Santa+Claus&op=index

Type bits /keyID Date User ID

pub 1024D/DDE32849 2006/12/26 Smta Claus <Santa@nym.hush.com>

pub 1024D/5DBA63D9 2001/03/07 Claus Santa <santaclaus@justmail.de>

pub 1024D/D3C52058 2000/09/11 Santa Claus <AXL@ccbox.de>

pub 1024D/F9587BCC 1999/05/18 Santa Claus <santa.claus@valley.net>

pub 1024D/E5AAB002 1998/01/27 Santa Claus <rene@humanoid.net>

pub 512R/076E38BD 1994/09/15 Santa Claus <SClaus@Northpole.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

Version: PGP

iQA/AwUBR17f+Cvu853d4yhJEQLpIQCfchNysR4YlcUblnleHGpHTD1Ir3cAn2hS

UBLycuDJN/2etqwxVxqEmHkP

=nos/

-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

N.B. remove the extra CR/LF in the PGP signature header and footer

introduced by this form to get it to verify.

Where is Father Christmas, Santa Claus, Joulupukki? It depends 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 19:56 GMT

Alert

If you are Danish or American, Santa lives on the North Pole, which is Greenlandic/Danish terriaryIf you are Danish or American. Santa lives on the North Pole, which is Danish (Greenlandic) territory.

If you are Canadian, Santa also lives on the North Pole (Canada), which is Canadian (Northwest Territories) territory. Although strangely, his post office is in Montreal QC

If you are British or Finnish, Father Christmas/Joulupukki lives in Rovaniemi, Finland (Lapland), which is Finnish territory.

If you are Dutch or Belgian, Sinterklaas or Sint-Nicolaas is from the Basque Country in Spain, arriving by steam ship.

Santa sells private data to the highest bidder 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 21:04 GMT

Linux

Finland claim Santa as their own, living in Finnish Lapland. So EU privacy laws *should* apply, but Finland isn't too hot on privacy laws. Forget HMRC losing private data, their Finnish counterparts illegally sells it to the highest bidder every year.

Once a year, the gov tax dept sells "private" info to the press about the entire population (who earn over a certain low limit): name, city, income tax paid, and income. This is then published in a big 8 euro volume. Oh, and you can get per-person data via premium SMS. Google "verosirkus" for more. It's a shame there's no Finnish El Reg to throw up a stink against this, but it'd still make a good story here, eh?

Not unlike Ironport's anti-spam database! 

Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 23:10 GMT

Thumb Up

...as in, there's no way to tell if you're on the "naughty list" until it's far too late.

Your data is obsolete. 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:06 GMT

Boffin

Santa Claus has lived on Mars ever since he conquered the Martians. Under UN auspices, no nation may claim the territory of Mars, as it is extra-Terrestrial, ergo Santa is not subject to the laws of any single nation of the Planet Earth.

Furthermore, I have it on good authority that this year, all lawyers are getting lumps of imitation coal (small pieces of granite, painted black with lead-based paint, and the work is outsourced to China as the Elves refused to provide anything whatsoever to lawyers, except used bog rolls, which Santa didn't want to carry about with him).

monopolies commision 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:34 GMT

Someone call 'em quick, the uk gov. is trying to heist the lost data market.

@GrahamT, Christmas is already gone, it was officially banned around 10 years ago for racial/ethical discrimination. It was replaced with something like 'winterfest', not sure if it got officially allowed again or not.

@tim. LOL, I'm goin' carol singing with that and a 6 pack.

cheers

Naughty/nice data safe with Canada Post 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 00:35 GMT

Go

All letters posted to Santa Clause (or Father Christmas or Kris Kringle) addressed to the North Pole, Canada (Canadian postal code H0H0H0) are answered by volunteers at Canada Post. As Canada Post is a federal agency that complies with Canadian federal privacy law, and as Canada is compliant with the EU's data protection provisions, the data should be safe. Moreover, Canada Post does not have a record of losing CD's containing drivers licence data mailed from Swansea...

As Canada claims arctic soverignty, complaints may be made to Jennifer Stoddard, Privacy Commissioner of Canada, at http://www.privcom.gc.ca/

Have a Merry Christmas!

Ross Fraser

@Ross Fraser 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 06:04 GMT

Stop

Have you got a passport recently?

moot point number 25 million 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 11:03 GMT

Pirate

given that there is no longer anything private or secure about information held on British subjects by any department of the British government or any of it's feckless minion departments...

...can anyone send me a copy of the naughty list ;)

Thanks, Stan 

Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 14:22 GMT

"LOL, I'm goin' carol singing with that and a 6 pack"

If El Reg will indulge me, the perfect opportunity to do so will be on the 20th (the full version is already on or song sheet):

http://www.bloggerheads.com/carols/

You may want to ditch the six-pack, though. We're planning pints for afters.

Civil Santa 

Posted Friday 14th December 2007 15:31 GMT

Coat

What do outlaw know...dont they realise Father Christmas is a civil servant thus completely oblivious and exempt from the DPA.

jeesh! :o)

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